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    Posted: 23 Jul 2010 at 11:18pm
Originally posted by Johndough

Hi,  
FOr an EU citizen it is quite easy to get into the labourmarket, if you can actually find a job. Very different story for non-EU citizens.
 
So it´s: Land a job-get cpr and taxcard-get bankaccount-go to statsforvaltningen-then you are practically Dane:)


bulgaria and romania are exempt from the schengen agreement as part of their EU accession treaties.

this means until 2014 bulgarians and romanians do not have the free right of movement and working like all the other member state nationals.

therefore as regards work and residency, you will be treated the same as a non EU citizen.

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Bulgaria is in the EU since the 1st of January 2007.

So i don't see a reason why you think that bulgarians are treated as a non EU citizens???

I have been travelling a lot and working also in Norway and since BG is in EU we have free right of movement and working without a Visa required.

You can see the list of the countires in the EU here:

http://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/coming_to_dk/eu_and_nordic_citizens/eu-eea_citizens/

and also little bit further down you can read that:

" Please note that the special interim arrangement concerning employees from Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia ended by 1 May 2009."


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 12:47am
Bulgarians and Romanians are allowed to be here. Also prior to 2009. Since 2007. The only difference was that before 2009 they could only work for companies with collective agreements that had a easily obtainable pre permission to hire them.
This rule about 2009 was made because the Danes were terrified that Denmark would be flooded with Eastern Europeans, mafia, gangs, etc, and didn´t want to open the boarders to Eastern Europe too fast.
The flooding didn´t happen as much as they expected but created a new problem,  the Danes didn´t see coming.
Gypsies, especially from Romania.
Not Romanians, but Romas.  They are EU-citizens and also allowed to move freely across EU boarders.
Not a day goes by without Danish newspapers writing about the Romas here, looting their way through the country. The gypsies have made it very hard for especially Romanians and Eastern Europeans in general, because the Danes don´t know the difference between a Romanian and a Roma from Romania. For most Danes it´s the same. They know the difference between eastern Euopean Countries, but they tend to see the people as the same "type".
The gypsies have  made things hard for people from all Eastern European countries.
The Danes are desperately and unrealistically trying to close the boarders, and in that process they generalize and unfortunately it makes all Danes look like they hate all foreigners.
The don´t, only certain groups, and because of these groups, they are afraid of everything new. And to avoid "discrimination", they invent ridiculous laws that have the affect that they keep the highly educated and wanted foreigners out, and opens the doors wide open to low or non educated people who have nothing to lose, and merely laugh at the Danish laws, that were once made for very authority believing Danes. 
Get pass the Danes fear of foreigners, keep your head held high, contribute, and you´ll see that the Danes aren´t that bad.  It takes time for a Dane to be convinced that a Bulgarian, Romanian, Polish etc are actually here to create a life, and not to load of their system. Simply because a lot of Eastern Europeans work here for a short while, and stay here on welfare after losing their jobs. Plus the Roma problem.
Being a Dane , and living in a "butterhole paradise" for decades isn´t easy sharing all of a sudden.:)
 The keyword in the Danish mind is contribute: " You must contribute. As long as I as a don´t have to contribute more than necessary myself:) "
 
Learn that, read the Jantelaw, be a true socialist and don´t ask critical questions, lose your manners, start believing that Africa is worse, take up some big loans, pay your taxes, rat on some neighbours once in a while, laugh when asked to say "rødgrød med fløde" and make jokes of Swedes, and you will be just fine:)
Regardless of nationality:)
 
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  Quote clutha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 9:44am
it is correct bulgaria joine din 2007, but they and rumania had special arrangements excluding them from the normal freedom of movement and labour, which affects work, residency, and social service rights.

part of the agreement for them joining the EU.....called the accession agreement...was that they would opt themselves out of the freedom of movement treaties that apply to all citizens of the EU.

Bulgaria and Rumania agreed to this opt out, which each member state must remove fully by 2014.

most EU countries, including DK and UK, apply this opt out to Bulgarian and Rumanian citzens, which means when it comes to residency and working rights, they dont have the same freedoms as other EU citizens and have to go thru processes more similar to non EU citizens.

this came about becasue several EU countries when taken aback by the number of Poles etc that moved into their labour markets, becoming a strain on services etc.

for example, the UK government only expected them in their thousands, but we got around 1 million.

however, i think each EU country is allowed to adapt or relax these these opt out as they wish, as long as they are all cleared away by 2014


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 11:27am
Hi Clutha,
 
The Romanians and Bulgarians have the exact same rights now as the rest of the Eu citizens, and can move to Denmark freely, without months of paperwork. "Østaftalen", was cancelled MAy 1st 2009.
If I am wrong, then  the entire udlændingeservice, statsforvaltning etc must be too.
There are thousands of Romanians , Bulgarians and Romanian gypsies here now because they can as EU citizens.
 
Anybody ever going to Bucharest outside of sector 1, knows what I am talking about when i mention the gypsies. It will be a tremendous problem in the future, and will only add to the popularity of DF, which is not good either.
 
 
 
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