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To Clutha: Union citizens are
nationals of Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus (only the Greco-Cypriot territory), the Czech Republic, Denmark,
Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia,
Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania,
Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom. EEA nationals are
nationals of Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. Nationals of Switzerland are covered by the same rules as Union citizens and EEA nationals.
Accordingly, all the rules mentioned below also apply to Swiss nationals. Bulgarian citizens can study in Denmark on equal footing with other EU nationals. And here is where my info is comming from: http://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/coming_to_dk/eu_and_nordic_citizens/eu-eea_citizens/ and http://www.ambsofia.um.dk/en/menu/Visa/BulgarianCitizensTravellingToDenmark/ What you are writing about is Bulgarians in UK. |
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clutha
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Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 2:56pm |
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cheers john
i know the first few years of EU membership, bulgaria/romania didnt have the same right of movement in the eu as everyone else but as you say, since 2009 the rules have changed, allowing each member state to make their own decision, as long as they have fully cancelled the opt out by 2014. interstingly, DK is ahead of the UK then, whom still operate different rules for bulgarians and rumanians the uk has not fully relaxed this exemption yet |
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Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 11:48am |
Hey Clutha, I think the Danes feel they opened the boarders up too fast for the 8 former Eastern Countries. Since they have been let in without restrictions, there has been a large increase in crime, welfare fraud, and the newspapers are constantly full of examples.
I can´t remember where i read it, but I read that in Copenhagen in 2009, they had about 1000 trials related to Eastern Europeans commiting crimes here.
Out of that approx 70% of these crimes were committed by Romanians. Several murders by Romanians last year, homerobberies ( which is extremely uncommon in DK) is now a big big issue, and security companies are having a new golden era.
Daily the newspapers have articles about especially Gypsies, all media is warning especially old people about them, the parks look like garbage cans here, because these gypsies put up tentcamps, trash the place, and go to a new place, and the unions are constantly in the press complaining acbout cheap labour from the Eastern Countries.
It has damaged very much the view of Danes on Eastern Europeans and foreigners in general.
Personally I don´t think these Countries should ever have been in the EU, they weren´t ready and we can´t afford them. But then again, I don´t think any Country should have been in the corrupt EU.
The numer of foreigners scamming, thieving, murdering and commiting crimes here outnumbers the welleducated honest foreiegners here by far.
Since most focus are on the crimes commited by foreigners here, that is what the Danes focus on, which hurts the foreigners that are actually welcome here. Also by the Danes. If it was only the "good" foreigners coming here, the Danes would be standing at the boarders with open arms, and thanking them for coming.
Many of the laws regarding immigration are targeted towards these new problems that Danes have never experienced before, which is noneducated criminals from very different cultures than the Danish, flooding the Country.
The Danes have not always been so negative towards foreigners, at all. The negativity and hate towards foreigners is caused by the "refugees", 2nd generation muslims, gypsies and third world Country citizens flooding the boarders the last 2 decades.
I am a foreigner myself, but don´t blame the Danes for their fear.
In the future, the educated foreigners the Danes claim they want here, will not WANT to come here, and not just because of the laws that are preventing them from coming here now. Or has that already happened?
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Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 12:23pm |
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hello john
yes, the eu is a bit of a over bloated fat greedy money wasting entty, thats for sure. the member states even rigged their own books to qualify under rules to allow the single currency luckily dk and uk had better sense just look at greece anyways, the uk was suprised that the number of eastern euro eu citizens that moved over far exceeded expectations, so they learnt the lesson second time around, hence extra restrictions when bulgaria and rumania joined. but these restrictions are still legally available to eu member states up to no later than 2014, so im surprised dk relaxed them their end. i might be wrong, but i think other eu states still have them in force as well? having said that, my dansk fiance tells me their has been a roma crime prob in dk for yrs, even before they joined the eu on the whole the poles lithuanians slovakians etc are hard working and have slotted into uk society quite well Edited by clutha - 25 Jul 2010 at 12:25pm |
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Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 1:30pm |
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Hi Clutha,
Before they relaxed the restrictions here, there were 50 thousand polaks, lithuanians, romanians etc working here.
They slotted into society quite well.
It´s after the restrictions were relaxed, that the problems have arised.
I´m not sure how it works in the other Eu states at the moment.
I disagree with your Danish girlfriend about the gypsies. I live in Aarhus, and I have never seen a gypsie in this Country until 2-3 years ago when romania was let intot he EU. I´m sure there were some, but very few I think.
According to Dansih law, if a EU citizen commits a crime here, they supposedly should be deported. The police constantly find these Roma with theft goods, but the problem is that they often can´t prove to whom the goods belongs, and have to let them go.
When they finally catch them with their hands in the cookiebox, and TRY to deport them, they have all kinds of organisations, Eu and socialists here claiming it´s against constitution, Eu law or whatever.
Recently there was a murder of a stewardess in Copenhagen, commited at a hotel in Copenhagen by a Romanian.
During interrogation the Romanian said that he´d rather sit in a nice jail=hotel in Denmark, than stay in Romania, where things are getting even worse.
I have several good Romanian friends, each and every one of them have for years been warning about gypsies, criminals wanting to come to the butterhole, how naive the Danes are etc.
When they saw this Romanian murderer on TV, they told me that he was very famous in Romania for a murder he commited for the former party back in the 80s.
He was prisoned for life in Romania, but they let him out after a couple of years, because the murder unofficially was ordered by the party in the 80s. Welcome to Denmark.
This is only the beginning, and I don´t blame them. If I lived in poverty in Country with no future myself, and had nothing to lose, I would also run to the naive Danes.
You mention Greece. Greece echonomy is collapsing primarily because of an overwhelming, overpaid, courrupt public system. In my opinion Denmark and Greece are extremely similar when it come to a moneyswallowing nepotistic system.
Give it 2-4 more years, and Danes will wish they were Greeks.
Somebody has to pay for this enormous bottomless hole called the system. That somebody is no longer here. The industry is dead here, there are now less people to pay the bill for the majority, corruption which was unheard of here twenty years ago has become a part of life, the personal debt among danes is the highest on the planet, and the butterhole is turning sour very fast.
The minority ( people who actually work, and don´t recieve benefits from the mothersystem) is aware of how bad things are going, but the majority ( 2,7 million people who in some way or the other is dependant on the money they recieve from the mothersystem) don´t care.
They are taken care of and not paying the bill, and since the communists and socialists promise them that they will continue to rip of the private working people and cooperations in this Country, to pay for the majority, there will be a new red government the next time, which will be disasterous for Denmark.
Danes very seldom look at the whole picture, they look at what is good for them personally, right here and right now.
Greece sounds like paradise to me, compared to where Denmark is heading.
Edited by Johndough - 25 Jul 2010 at 1:35pm |
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