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    Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:47am
Oh, you know there's probably someone out there who blames DF for everything :P
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I'm not sure whether or not debating the Arizona Immigration law will do much good on these forums (even if I personally think it is a misguided law.. there are much better ways to deal with immigration; legal and illegal) ..

I find myself torn, really.  I think it is hard for me, as an American, to truly understand the Danish immigration shift.  I'm used to immigrants.  I'm from Boston.  I grew up with tons of immigrants from Eastern Europe after the fall of the Iron Curtain.  I never wondered or cared whether they were legal or illegal.  But then again, as an American, we're taught in schools that this is a country that was built by immigrants -> for immigrants.  

I think the Danish "problem" is more complex than I can completely understand.  I can appreciate it, however.  The Danish history reaches so far back.  With the increasing influence of the European Union, I can see how European countries could feel threatened.  The EU is still a growing entity.  It is in its infancy for all intents and purposes.  Things are being sorted out.  There will be growing pains.

Do I think the tightening of immigration is right? No.  But then again, I'm very pro-immigrant.  But can I appreciate that there are factors that could be causing this that I don't comprehend? Yes.

And for the record, the fourteenth amendment of the US Constitution decided that people born in the United States are entitled to automatic citizenship even if their parents are not.  It's been the law for 140+ years ... and has been upheld by the US Supreme Court on multiple occasions. :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:34am
Originally posted by fortune

Originally posted by secandido



Others, like myself, may read all the information and still want to come to Denmark.  


Agreed, Secandido. Perhaps the Americans in this thread haven't been "home" lately for long enough to understand what is happening here. Currently there is a huge and frightening anti-immigrant, anti-naturalized, and anti-foreigner mood here in the USA, as evidenced by the recent laws in Arizona and Iowa.

Altho' the federal court struck down a few of the truly odious portions of the Arizona law, such as the requirement that all immigrant, naturalized, and foreigners constantly carry their papers with them so they can prove legality at any moment, and give the police the power to demand those papers for almost any reason - including "style of dress" or "traveling in tandem" - this doesn't mean they won't be upheld by the much more conservative appeals court.

Polls show that in this time of economic stress, this undeclared depression, the majority of Americans support such extreme laws, and many even endorse hypothetical proposals such as firing *all* foreigners and visa holders from jobs or university places so these can be given to Americans. These most nationalistic proposals are now only floated on far-right blogs, but already they may be making their way to becoming mainstream ideas via the so-called Tea Party group.

The new proposal by Senator Lindsay Graham to revoke so-called birthright citizenship. This means that children born in the USA or born abroad to an American parent will *never* be able to attain American citizenship, especially if the mother is foreign or married to a foreigner:

"Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) announced Wednesday night that he is considering introducing a constitutional amendment that would change existing law to no longer grant citizenship to the children of immigrants born in the United States."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40395.html

Such a child is called an "anchor baby," meaning its purpose is to give the foreign mother or parent an "anchor" that will allow them to claim USA citizenship. The Tea Party wants to end this. Some even talk of severely limiting or ending citizenship by marriage, which is also deeply frightening.

Should Senator Graham introduce this measure in the fall, it could very probably pass and quickly, due to the high state of anti-foreign sentiment in the USA right now. While these measures are said to be aimed at Mexicans, clearly they will impact all foreigners, immigrants, Americans married to non-USA citizens, and visa holders.

I think there are people here on FiD who could possibly be seriously impacted by such measures, yet they seem unaware of them.

I think now of the recent case here of the Straarup family, where the American mother was given a deportation order. Altho' people here on this board dislike comparisons, the fact of the matter was that they were able to work it out and Melissa Staarup did get her residency permit in a matter of weeks.

Under the USA current law, once the fast-track deportation order is issued, it is immediate. Melissa Staarup would have been seized, taken to an immigration jail where there is no legal representation allowed, no appeal, and she would have been forcibly deported within 72 hours with a 10-year ban on her return. In these cases, family reunification is not considered a reason to stop deportation. Such fast-track deportations have been increasing since 2004 (http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/02/local/me-deport2) with questions as to how freely those who agree have signed.

I truly feel, with deepest respect, that the Americans here on FiD truly don't realize the harshness and brutal finality of present American immigration law or how 9-11 has tragically changed the situation in this country, even after Obama's administration (http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2010-07-26/Obama-deports-over-400000-people). "Home" isn't like it used to be, even 2 years ago. Alas.

And Clutha, ty. Happy to offer you the link.
Hi Fortune,
 
Very good and informative post. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:36am
Originally posted by Cassandra

Actually some of us do know about what is going on in the US, it's that this is foriengers in denmark not foriengers in the US. I come here to talk about denmark and would go elsewhere to talk about changing the horrible things that are going on in the US on a site specifically for that.
 
Originally posted by fortune


Agreed, Secandido. Perhaps the Americans in this thread haven't been "home" lately for long enough to understand what is happening here. Currently there is a huge and frightening anti-immigrant, anti-naturalized, and anti-foreigner mood here in the USA, as evidenced by the recent laws in Arizona and Iowa.

I think the post you are referring to is very relevant, since many Americans in here like to compare the two Countries.
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Posts: 141 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 12:26pm

A number of abusive posts have been deleted from this thread. Please refrain from personal attacks, mocking, belittling etc.
As the thread has moved away from the initial topic and disolved into personal attacks it will be closed. Please open new threads if you want to continue the various topics touched in this thread.
 
For those that are interested in the initial topic:
As fortune mentions, the request of DF to tighten the immigration rules (increase the age to 28 for family reunification) has not been met with agreement by the government.

 
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